Hello, All!

I setup Fidomail with an nntp connection. The first 3-4 messages I initially pulled down seem to be getting re-pulled and displayed as new almost every time I open the app (not if i close and reopen, but if i check back a few hours later). I have the version -98 announcement, Michiel's request to remove a photo hosting service, and Dmitry's reply to that message 3 or 4 times in my current message list of only 12-15 messages total (I don't remember exactly and can't look now).

Did I setup wrong or is the nntp connection sending something upon connection it shouldn't be?

Regards,
Nick
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Hello Nick!

In a message of 07 Oct 26 02:19, Nick wrote to All:

Hello, All!

I setup Fidomail with an nntp connection.

Synchronet BBS? Well, I've almost forgotten that it has NNTP support!

Did I setup wrong or is the nntp connection sending something upon connection it shouldn't be?

Synchronet has multiple NNTP issues. The most important is broken LISTGROUP support: it claims to support the command, but it doesn't. The Message-ID/MSGID implementation for NNTP is also very strange! And the charset for CP866 Russian messages is completely broken (reported as KOI8-R).

In any case, I've fixed the NNTP implementation in FMM to fully support Synchronet's dialect.

What is tested/supported:

FidoMail (server version)
FIDOGATE + INN
FIDOGATE + leafnode
ifmail + INN
ifmail + ifnode
Synchronet
MBSE
binktermphp
ENiGMA½
InterSquish
Mystic
JamNNTPd
Taurus
WendzelNNTPd

New release (1.16) will be tomorrow.

See you,
dp.
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Hey Dmitry!

On Wed, Oct 07 2026 20:02:16 +0000, you wrote:

Synchronet has multiple NNTP issues. The most important is broken LISTGROUP support: it claims to support the command, but it doesn't. The Message-ID/MSGID implementation for NNTP is also very strange! And the charset for CP866 Russian messages is completely broken (reported as KOI8-R).

Since you're doing so much testing and finding of these issues. It would probably be greatly appreciated by many if you would report them at gitlab.synchro.net. Otherwise, they probably go unnoticed for the most part.

In any case, I've fixed the NNTP implementation in FMM to fully support Synchronet's dialect.

Thank you!

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Nick!

In a message of 07 Oct 26 17:34, Nick wrote to Dmitry:

Since you're doing so much testing and finding of these issues. It
would probably be greatly appreciated by many if you would report
them at gitlab.synchro.net. Otherwise, they probably go unnoticed
for the most part.

I would be happy to, but I can't even register there:

"Email is not allowed. Please use your regular email address. Check with your administrator."

I've tried several email addresses, but without any luck..

See you,
dp.
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Hey Dmitry!

On Thu, Oct 08 2026 00:01:28 +0000, you wrote:

I would be happy to, but I can't even register there:

"Email is not allowed. Please use your regular email address. Check with your administrator."

I've tried several email addresses, but without any luck..

IIRC, it's all integrated with his (Rob's) services. You may have to create an account on his BBS (Vertrauen - vert.synchro.net), and use your login credentials you made there on gitlab.

It's not the best process, but it does work once you're actually logged in.

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Nick!

In a message of 08 Oct 26 16:47, Nick wrote to Dmitry:

IIRC, it's all integrated with his (Rob's) services. You may have
to create an account on his BBS (Vertrauen - vert.synchro.net), and
use your login credentials you made there on gitlab.

OMG, he is really into BBS way ;)

It's not the best process, but it does work once you're actually
logged in.

Amazingly, some guy called Stephen Hurd even added IMAP support into SBBS! If you know him, tell him I owe him a pint of beer :) So sad that IMAP in SBBS is read-only.
So sad that very few people ever realised that IMAP is so much better than NNTP for accessing public echo/newsgroups.


I’ll register next week, but for now, a very good news: Google just approved my new version of FidoMail Mobile with all the fixes! Superfast!


See you,
dp.
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Hello, Dmitry!

On 07 Oct 26 20:02, you wrote:

In any case, I've fixed the NNTP implementation in FMM to fully
support Synchronet's dialect.

I can confirm there were no dupes after updating. Thanks for the fix!

Regards,
Nick
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Hello Nick!

In a message of 08 Oct 26 23:47, Nick wrote to Dmitry:

I can confirm there were no dupes after updating. Thanks for the
fix!

Thank you for taking the time to test FMM against SBBS and for sending the bug report!
This civilization still exists because some people care and do ;)

See you,
dp.
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Hello, Dmitry!

On 08 Oct 26 23:51, you wrote:

OMG, he is really into BBS way ;)

Yeah, Synchronet is updated almost daily, and bugs and/or feature requests are handles very promptly. That's why it probably has the biggest fan base for a BBS software. ;)

Amazingly, some guy called Stephen Hurd even added IMAP support
into SBBS! If you know him, tell him I owe him a pint of beer :) So
sad that IMAP in SBBS is read-only. So sad that very few people
ever realised that IMAP is so much better than NNTP for accessing
public echo/newsgroups.

He has doen quite a bit for Synchronet also. He is also the author of Syncterm (https://syncterm.bbsdev.net).

I’ll register next week, but for now, a very good news: Google just approved my new version of FidoMail Mobile with all the fixes!
Superfast!

I got -100 yesterday, and -101 was available today!

Regards,
Nick
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Hello, Dmitry!

On 09 Oct 26 00:17, you wrote:

Thank you for taking the time to test FMM against SBBS and for
sending the bug report! This civilization still exists because some
people care and do ;)

Honestly, I never had any interest in doing this stuff on a phone. Never tried Aftershock or any of the others, but.. I finally brought myself to try out Fidomail on mobile, after trying the desktop version first. ;)

Regards,
Nick
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Hello Nick!

In a message of 09 Oct 26 23:38, Nick wrote to Dmitry:

Honestly, I never had any interest in doing this stuff on a phone.
Never tried Aftershock or any of the others, but.. I finally
brought myself to try out Fidomail on mobile, after trying the
desktop version first. ;)

The desktop version is really terrible! It will probably take several more months to polish it, because it was never actually planned or properly designed. It was just an experiment to port the mobile version to the desktop.

But the mobile version is not so bad! Although I use it very rarely ;) But as long as users are interested, I’ll implement whatever they need.


See you,
dp.
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Hey Dmitry!

On Sun, Oct 11 2026 00:04:02 +0000, you wrote:

The desktop version is really terrible!

I didn't want to get into specifics or say anything negative, but thank you for saying it first! ;)

I didn't care for the desktop version, so I then tried out the mobile version. I'm glad I did.

It will probably take several more months to polish it, because it was never actually planned or properly designed. It was just an experiment
to port the mobile version to the desktop.

Understood. I could definitely see that it was more geared towards mobile devices.

But the mobile version is not so bad! Although I use it very rarely ;)
But as long as users are interested, I’ll implement whatever they need.

The mobile version is very nice and polished. It definitely does it's job, and does it well. Although I'm still not completely sold on FTN messaging from my phone, nor do I think I will ever do it regularly.. I wanted to test it out and see what I was missing out on!

To be fair, the fact that you (and others) are still creating new software for this hobby, including BBSs, tossers, editors, etc. is probably one of the main reasons I haven't closed everything down here and given up on the hobby. So keep up the great work! ;)

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Nick!

In a message of 11 Oct 26 06:27, Nick wrote to Dmitry:

I didn't want to get into specifics or say anything negative, but
thank you for saying it first! ;)

BTW, having a desktop version gives a very interesting feature: you can export the database from the mobile version, import it on desktop, edit/add whatever you want, and export it back.

To be fair, the fact that you (and others) are still creating new
software for this hobby, including BBSs, tossers, editors, etc. is probably one of the main reasons I haven't closed everything down
here and given up on the hobby. So keep up the great work! ;)

Thank you :)

See you,
dp.
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In Jamnntpd there is a special newsgroup type for netmail. It shows messages only to you and from you.

I think that is a problem for fidomail. It cannot read all the messages and it gives up.

== cut ==
18:52:40 [1] > GROUP netmail
18:52:40 [1] < 211 409 46 1659 netmail Group selected
18:52:40 [1] > LISTGROUP netmail
18:52:40 [1] < 500 Unknown command
18:52:40 [1] LISTGROUP is not supported here (500 Unknown command) — walking article numbers densely for the rest of this session
18:52:40 [1] > ARTICLE 1630
18:52:40 [1] < 503 Access denied
18:52:40 [1] error: netmail: article 1630 failed 3 syncs running (503 Access denied) — giving up on it
18:52:40 [1] > ARTICLE 1631
18:52:40 [1] < 503 Access denied
18:52:40 [1] warning: netmail: article 1631 fetch failed (503 Access denied) — stopping here, retrying next sync (attempt 1 of 3)
18:52:40 [1] sync complete — 0 received, 2 warning(s)
== cut ==

'Tommi

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Hello Tommi!

In a message of 11 Oct 26 19:30, Tommi wrote to Dmitry:

In Jamnntpd there is a special newsgroup type for netmail. It shows messages only to you and from you.

It’s a broken NNTP design in JamNNTPd, for both RFC 977 and RFC 3977.

In RFC 977 (which JamNNTPd used for implementation, according to the documentation), 503 means “program fault - command not performed.”

My bad that I didn’t test this part of JamNNTPd :(

18:52:40 [1] < 503 Access denied

The workaround will be in the next release, probably in the second part of this week (v0.1.20+102 is still in review by Google and it has a lot of internal changes, so I am not sure that it will be reviewed quickly).

See you,
dp.
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